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How do you know you are ready to expand your existing shop and/or grow your business to become a Multi Shop Owner (MSO)? When you’re a Digital Shop, this is a question that you’ve probably asked yourself.

This week, the panel includes multi-shop owners John Herring (4 location Stamps Automotive – Lindsay Road, Higley Road, Queen Creek, San Tan Valley) and Greg Hulse (4 location Meineke Car Care Center #2240, #2382, #4174, #4374) who have demonstrated their abilities to grow and deliver the best performance of quality, speed and cost to their customers while being able to stay profitable as well as manage all of their locations with ease using the Digital Shop platform.

In this week’s episode, you’ll learn:
– How to know when you’re ready to expand your shop and/or grow into a multi-location business
– The strategies and tactics used to set up and manage multi-locations
– How to implement The Digital Shop platform at multiple shop locations
– How to easily manage your shop(s) using the Business Control Panel to track metrics and performance

Episode Transcript

*This transcript was generated using Artificial Intelligence. Errors may occur. If you notice an error, please contact [email protected].

Tom Dorsey (00:00):
We have no cussing. Good morning and good afternoon. Welcome to this week’s edition of The Digital Shop Talk Radio. It’s episode 24, believe it or not, time flies when you’re young and handsome. And what’s the date? Today’s July 17th, 2019. And got a great show lined up. My name is Tom Dorsey. I’ll be asking some awesome shop owners. Some questions help you guys out. And what we’re talking about today is how do you manage multi-location operations? What’s some things that you need to consider when you’re looking to expand your business? If you are, how do you manage it if you’re already find yourself in that situation? And how, most importantly of course is how do you use AutoVitals in the tools that we provide to help you get a leg up on managing that, herding all them cats. And so I got two great multi-location owners with us today. I’ve got Greg Hulse, he’s a Meineke owner up in Washington State, four locations with his Brian, you a service manager over there? I am a service manager. Say hi guys. Thanks for coming on the show. Hello.
And I got John Herring joining us again from Stamps Automotive. You guys all recognize John. He’s down there in Arizona, four locations. Johnny, really appreciate you coming back, buddy. Thank you. Glad to be here. Yeah, man, thank you. Even though, what’d you say? It was 115 down in Arizona. It was 115 yesterday. It’s the hottest day of the year so far. 115. So John’s cranking out those AC services and so we really appreciate him being able to take the time to come and join us for a half hour and talk about multis. So let me ask you the first, the big most glaring question, what made you decide to get multiple locations? Greg, I’ll start with you.
Greg Hulse (01:52):
Tom Dorsey (01:53):
In one shop, right?
Greg Hulse (01:55):
We went from two shops to, we actually went from 2 to 17. We had an opportunity to buy a small chain that was up here. Actually it was a large chain, and then after about two years with that, it was too much for us, so we went back down to four.
Tom Dorsey (02:10):
Yeah. So that’s it in a nutshell, right? It’s a lot to bite off. What were the biggest challenges you ran across as you were doing that consolidation?
Greg Hulse (02:19):
The biggest challenges were infrastructure. We grew obviously way too fast from, well, we went from 3 to 16 and I think it’s better to take on one or two at a time and work your way up. I was training another district manager at the same time and it was brand new and it was just a lot of challenges. But now that we have four, it’s four, I think four to eight is the perfect number.
Tom Dorsey (02:47):
Yeah. Yeah. It’s funny, when I was in the trucking business, we say the same thing. You either have one truck or 10 trucks. Everything in the middle wasn’t making any money. It was just a hassle and the government takes it all anyway. Right. So in that learning journey that you did, I mean you guys kind of come in with the Meineke process, right? So I what did you see, what year was this in when you took on those 17 locations?
Greg Hulse (03:14):
It was in 2013.
Tom Dorsey (03:16):
Oh, so it was recent. Yeah. And so what types of technology, I know that Meineke provides you guys a lot of things, but I mean, would you say that your biggest challenge, so infrastructure, but was that inheriting a process that was broken and then you had to go in there and kind of fix the existing process? Or was it just really a lack of being able to track and monitor all those kittens that are running around in that corral?
Greg Hulse (03:42):
Yeah, we had 90 plus employees at that time and staffing was a huge, huge problem. And just trying to get everybody on the same page, even though Meineke does have a lot of processes in place, just trying to get everybody to follow those processes was really tough. If we would’ve went one or two at a time, it’s a lot easier to take those incremental steps than just go full bore and try to train 90 people at the same time
Tom Dorsey (04:10):
And scale and test it, right? Because it is, like you said, four locations. My process is working great, but if I doubled that then all of a sudden I’m starting to have some things that I didn’t foresee and so then I can get those processes fixed and effective and then scale it to the 20 and ramp it up kind of that way. Johnny, did you have the same experience, buddy? Did you jump in with 17 and little down to four?
John Herring (04:34):
I don’t know what I would do with 17. I probably wouldn’t be around right now.
It’s kind of funny though, in the similarities and how I started my multi-location is I had six a couple years ago. It was just too many and I shut two down. I had five for a long time and I acquired those in a period of a year and a half. It was just a good opportunity. Somebody wanted out of the business and I was able to buy things penny on a dollar. So that was my ambition and my brain and my thoughts didn’t catch up with that. I share the same problems as he had. It was infrastructure and without good infrastructure, you can’t manage your employees correctly and you can’t get everybody to do what you wanted to do. So it seemed like for me for the longest time I was making money at one or two shops, but the other ones were failing just because I didn’t have infrastructure, I didn’t have time to go to all the stores. And to be frank with you, after a few years of it, I kind of stopped caring just because it was just so much of a task to take on that much at one time. But I don’t know, I took an opportunity that I couldn’t pass up, so
Tom Dorsey (05:46):
Now we got to make hay. And so if you had it to do all over again, other than saying heck no and running the other way, what would be the one takeaway that you’d say that you would’ve done first before you got started?
John Herring (06:01):
I can’t say that I wouldn’t do it all over again because I’m always somebody that takes a lot of risks. I think that the more risk that you take, the more you get from it, the bigger risk the more you make from it. So I don’t know, it just took me a long time to figure out how to run multi-locations and figure out which ones weren’t making money and which ones were a waste of time. And I guess the biggest thing is just think about it more and try to plan more to have that infrastructure set up. I think now that if I was to, and I’m not always opposed to if I had the opportunity to buy another store, I probably would now because I have the infrastructure and I know how to set it up and I’ve pretty much got things running pretty good now. So I would just say do your homework and make sure everything, there’s a lot of people I talk to out there that, oh, I’m going to start my second shop. There was a guy here in town that started a second shop and he thought it was the biggest mistake he ever made. So you really got to plan it and you really got to think about it being bigger isn’t always better because being bigger, you got bigger overhead. So bigger isn’t always better.
Tom Dorsey (07:12):
No money, no problems.
John Herring (07:14):
And I’d like to use this time if anybody out there would like to buy a shop,
Tom Dorsey (07:22):
Go ahead and queue up the for sale side, rj. Yeah, it’s in the
John Herring (07:27):
Background here.
Tom Dorsey (07:28):
Yeah, man, that’s really prescient, John, I really appreciate you sharing that. And that’s it. You got to take the small bites out of that apple and you got to make sure that you’re not biting into the worm. Right Greg. And I bet you another thing that’s really important is having a guy you can trust sitting there next to year. How critical is it to be able to manage those multi-locations and then trying to do it all by yourself or having maybe people you can’t really rely on or don’t trust initially? And can you talk to us a little bit about how you develop that relationship?
Greg Hulse (08:05):
I think it’s really important to have, especially your number one store to have really solid people in place. Brian’s been with me for six years, almost eight. Almost eight years. And we were pretty fortunate we got on the beta testing with Meineke and AutoVitals when it first rolled out and Brian and I were able to go back to Raleigh and do the training out there. And I think that really gave us a head start. And Brian does most of the implementation in the store and he helps out a little bit with the other stores. So I mean, you got to have key people and you’re not successful if you don’t have key people in places.
Tom Dorsey (08:44):
Yeah. Hey and Brian, tell us a little bit about that because AutoVitals is pretty, might even sound crazy when you first hear about it, is how strict we are kind of about determining who an implementer is and what the role of the implementer is when you’re learning AutoVitals. And then was there kind of a lot of process change that you had to go through and did you resist? Because I got to tell you one thing that you’re,
Brian Kinnard (09:08):
I can tell you right now, I resisted just about everything, just the way it worked and the way the inspections were written initially where we had to use a specific inspection sheet, I eventually built my own inspection sheet from scratch. I used the mining key paper inspections and I basically tailored it to that for a new manager coming in, it would be better for them to train with somebody specifically that already kind of knows what it’s going on. Otherwise it’s pretty overwhelming, especially if they don’t know how to make sales packages or if they don’t know how to make the product work for you as opposed to working the product, you’ve got to have all of your sales packages. Correct. You’ve got to make sure that there’s actions, corrective actions within your inspection sheet to action, create jobs on your work order, otherwise you can’t do the 300% rule wants you to do.
Tom Dorsey (10:11):
Exactly. So that’s fantastic. And it’s funny because, well, it’s not funny, it’s actually it’s a testament to the work that you’ve done, Honey. I was talking to Honey earlier, Honey’s the account manager for Greg and Brian and said pretty much we’ll see if she’s going to come in here pretty quick and say hi. But pretty much said you’re probably the easiest shop that she has to manage because when she looks in, you guys are just consistently hitting your numbers and she never really hears anything from you when you do like, yeah, hey, the power’s still on, have a great day. Was that, I’m sure it was a lot of trial and error, especially because you were in on the beta. Did you guys kind of rolled it out into one shop and then did or did you jump into all shops after the beta was over or did you roll ’em out and how long did that take?
Greg Hulse (11:11):
I rolled ’em out about once a month per shop, but I have had and still have all of any new manager coming in trains for at least a week with Brian. And he did well. He and I did the majority of the training with the new managers. So yeah, I think doing all four shops at once wouldn’t have really worked. It would’ve just been more chaos. So we did them about once a month, one a month
Tom Dorsey (11:37):
And then pushback. I mean what was the biggest challenge that you had with that rollout?
Greg Hulse (11:46):
When we first rolled it out, our sales packages and any of our packages, we were still kind refining and working on ’em and stuff. So that was a little cumbersome. And then of course getting techs on board with it was a little challenging also, but really once you sell a big job off of it that they wouldn’t have got off a paper inspection. They come around pretty quick.
Tom Dorsey (12:09):
Yeah, it didn’t take long, right. Just takes a couple of quick wins and then here they are. So John, tell us a little bit about kind of the same thing. I know that we kind of did a pretty aggressive rollout into your shops. What would you do over again? Or I should say, what would you do different with rolling? I
John Herring (12:32):
Don’t really know. To me, I was fully into it and I knew the importance of digital inspection. So for me personally, it was a no-brainer that it just had to be done. It was just implementing anything else in the shop. It just had to be done. I had a lot of kickbacks. I’ve went through some managers since then that they find out that they’re not so computer savvy on the front desk so they’re not able to give the service and use the computer and do all that at the same time. Really hard for me to get ’em to stay out of the back of the shop, get ’em to use the text fixture. So I tell my managers, I don’t want your butt to move off that stool. I have every tool for you to sit on the stool and not have to go out in the back of the shop. So to me it was just, to me it was just a no-brainer. It just had to happen. And just like you said earlier, you got to have those key people to help you do it. I think any multi shop location, if you don’t have a key right hand man, then you’re pretty much flying blind. You can’t be at all locations and you can’t can watch ’em all, but you’re just not that effective when you have that many shops. So having that key guy is a major, major part of the multis shop business.
Tom Dorsey (13:51):
Yeah, that’s for sure. And being able to look, I think being able to look at the operation or monitor the operation in a different fashion. I can’t tell you how many folks I’ve talked to out at trade shows over the years and they’ve got all their security cameras loaded up on their phone and they’re watching their shops. But what ends up happening is all the guys know where the camera doesn’t see and it is just you get that idea of, oh, if I’m going to be watched while I’m going to do something or I’m going to be cutting or swiping a ranch here or whatever. And so when you’re, you just come on and sit on over here, then we introduce Honey, this is Honey Tuazon and she works with the Meineke locations and so she works with Greg and Brian there.
Greg Hulse (14:39):
Tom Dorsey (14:41):
Long time no talk. Yeah, it’s been about a day probably, but I just want to bring in Honey and just say hi and get her a chance to come on and take some of the credit for some of the great work you’ve been doing with some of these guys. Right. But back to what I was saying, what was I saying? Do you remember what I was saying when you came in? Well
Honey Tuazon (15:01):
I walked here for 30 seconds. You asked John what you would do over
Tom Dorsey (15:08):
Somebody’s paying attention, but to be able to put all that stuff together in monitoring it, not through security cameras, but being able to watch that stuff through the business control panel I think gives you a better insight and it gives you better teamwork because I don’t feel like you’re just monitoring me. I feel like, and it was great what Russ had said and some of those guys in previous episodes where they talk about sharing the big picture with the crew, Jeremy Whitlock last week, and then they’re on board and then when you’re talking about the data and what needs to be done is if it’s picture edit rate or scent rate or some behavioral change, you get better. And then once they’ve done it enough to build the muscle memory is like what Greg was saying, it’s hard to keep, or excuse me, John was saying it’s hard to keep their butt seat because habit and just the way it is, we are busy, we instinct, we run to the back and it’s hard to break that habit to say, oh, I don’t have to do that. I can do it this way. And just align that through expectations that we monitor in the business control panel. Greg, I know, and I got Honey in here and I know you guys probably do a lot of work through the business control panel. How has that helped you from an adoption perspective and also just a motivation or a morale perspective inside the shop?
Greg Hulse (16:35):
Well I think that’s one of the benefits of having multis shops because you have direct comparisons. So I can compare my poorest or the lowest shop to the best shop and really have goals for them. If this shop can do it, you should be able to get at least close to that. So I think it’s real helpful. And we have a monthly managers meeting so we go over that kind of stuff and matter of fact, we have one coming up tomorrow, so we’ll be going over the business control panel and it just kind of gets everybody on the same page and lets ’em know that hey, these numbers are realistic, it’s not some shop that’s in another state, it’s right down the road and we can all do it.
Tom Dorsey (17:13):
So do you see your shops up to compete against each other to help drive production?
Greg Hulse (17:18):
We do a little bit, but it’s more just coaching them on because if I have one shop that’s doing really well, obviously I can take those, what they’re doing well and implement that into another shop and I think that’s helpful. And the business control panel, we have some other backend or back office stuff that we use the exformidi and stuff, but it’s just not as in depth as the business control panel. So
Tom Dorsey (17:41):
Yeah, we tell you all the secrets. That’s what I’m saying, you can’t hide from our camera
Honey Tuazon (17:46):
And usually we go to Brian to ask what he’s been doing that is working for him because usually most of the times it’s his shop that is leading.
Tom Dorsey (17:56):
Exactly right. So yeah, that’s what I said we were talking about that a little earlier is Brian was through the beta and then did all of that work to define the inspection sheets that were working and put in a lot of effort. Now it’s really paying off. From your perspective Honey, how does business control account help you to help and manage with Greg and Brian?
Honey Tuazon (18:16):
Well it’s easy to see what Greg is saying is it’s actually easier to see that one shop is doing this. And so I ask him, Hey, what is this shop doing differently? Do you think the other shops can achieve this? Is there something else that the other shops are doing that are different, for example fleet or are you inspecting Ubers and Lyfts? Is it different from here? And if there’s nothing really different then we just adopt what’s been going on in the other shop. Put those goals into the business control panel, mark them up because writing them down is usually it kickstarts that action towards that goal because usually if you just say it, okay, yeah, that’s a goal, but when it’s written it’s kind of set on stone and so it’s
Tom Dorsey (19:04):
A witness.
Honey Tuazon (19:05):
Yeah, it’s much easier to follow through. And so been helping is really writing those goals down and having bite-sized goals as well. So weekly and the monthly goals and then what the long-term goal is.
Tom Dorsey (19:19):
Yeah. Fantastic. So are you guys considering going back up to 17,
Greg Hulse (19:25):
If I had 16 more Brians, we’d be going 17
Tom Dorsey (19:29):
Time to ask for a raise, Brian just saying I don’t know, talking about witnesses, right, right. So John, tell us a little bit about how you’re using the business control panel. You were talking about your key guys, are they in there and are they using that to monitor what’s happening across your locations? And then do you like to maybe incentivize your locations to compete against each other?
John Herring (19:56):
I don’t really kind of, I’ve in the past kind of had the competition between the stores and I’ve got stores that do twice as much as my lowest store. So sometimes that’s not always good because they look at it, there’s always somebody in last place. So those are the ones when we come to our monthly managers meeting, there’s always that one guy with his head down. He’s got the slow shop. And so I don’t think that it helps with morale too much when you start pitting the stores together. Personally I do personally for myself, but the business control panel is, that’s like holding the steering wheel on a car, driving down the road. I can look at that control panel and I can see exactly what’s going on. I can see if the service rider is editing the pictures, I can see if they’re driving that ARO up.
You can see those key factors in the store when you get a shop that’s not doing so well, he has a little ARO, the manager’s like, Hey, I need more cars, I need more cars. I look into the control panel and your car count’s actually up 5% over the last three months. So it’s nothing to do with the car count, it’s more to do with what you sell on the front counter. So that business control panel is everything. And I think that’s one of the great things about the technology that we use nowadays is I could basically, if somebody had a failing shop and they had data on it, I could look at that data and go, hey, this is what’s going on. That is really that helpful to run our shops on a day-to-day basis, I think it’s not just necessary. It has to be there.
And I think all of shops that are making it out there that are doing really great are using this to their advantage to help. I mean data period in the whole world has helped everybody out. That’s one of the big things you guys use to do your job. So it’s nice that you guys are making things for us to use that are so easy and at a fingers touch for us to just log in and look at everything. And when it went to where you guys put it all on one page for me for all four stores, that was because you get to two of them and you’re like, I don’t like those numbers, I’m not going to look at anything anymore. But when you’re on one page and it’s all there, you can just switch through the shops. That makes it real easy.
Tom Dorsey (22:15):
And so for you folks that might not know what we’re talking about is business control panel is just a way to take your data across your technicians and how your service advisors are operating. Are they editing pictures, sending pictures like what John was saying and put it into a graph that you can see and then you can look at two different or three different or four different metrics and you can actually see how things influence what’s happening. A o’s going down, well gosh, look, we’re not sending out the inspection sheets like we were or we’re not editing the pictures to our goal like we were. And then you can just get out and make some changes and then track that across time to make sure that you are making the right decisions in the right policy changes and holding those guys accountable out there. And it becomes almost just like a recipe. You want to make a loaf of bread, well you mix this stuff up and put it in the oven. And so to your point John, it’s the same way on our side. There’s a lot of times we hear, gosh, this shop’s struggling. And we look in there and we just go, well gosh, I mean we just do this and if you just edit some more pictures and then send them to the customer and ask them for their email or their opt-in at text at drop off, this guy wouldn’t be having these problems. Yeah.
John Herring (23:27):
Well I think one of the biggest things that we’ve started realizing too is can also, this can digital inspection can also hurt you if you’re not doing them correctly. You could put out information to a customer that the technician didn’t put on their right and the service writer didn’t edit it right and didn’t look at the live view that the customer sees and then all of a sudden the customer calls it, you tell ’em, Hey, your car’s, okay, well what about that leak I had? Well, I don’t know, my technician didn’t have it on there. So you’re basically sending information to a customer that’s not correct. So it can make you look bad just as much as it can make you look good. So that’s one of our biggest obstacles we have in the multis shop is getting those, we tell our guys we want to have a storyline for somebody’s car when it comes in.
So it’s like picking up a good book. When you have a good book, you can read that thing start to finish and the whole night’s over and you don’t even know it. So that’s what we try to create with inspections. We want a storyline for a customer to where even if it’s a bad storyline, they still like it at the end. They just don’t like what they have to pay to fix their car. But that’s a major part of what we try to do and it’s an ongoing battle. It never stops the digital inspection. You just have to keep doing it. It’s an everyday thing. You have to manage it, you have to watch it. It’s not set on automatic. It takes a hundred percent of your time and your effort to make sure that those are all those systems are working correctly
Brian Kinnard (24:59):
And the technicians really have to do just that. Absolutely. The inspection has to be good. If it’s not a good inspection, number one, we’re not going to get the information the technician’s trying to give us. And then when we send it to a customer that customer’s going to get information. If we don’t know what an action is or didn’t see an action based on an incomplete inspection, then that information becomes jumbled and kind of in a wash. So you got to make sure the technicians stay on top of that inspection for sure.
Tom Dorsey (25:29):
Yep. Yeah, exactly. And it’s one of those things too is you have to set that expectation at the front counter that if it ain’t right, kick it back, make ’em do it again because you only get one shot at it. And like you said, if you’re only going to send out something halfway, then you get half as results. But once you establish that policy and like you said through that business control panel, you monitor your guys and you know that gosh, everybody’s doing what they’re supposed to be doing, we got the tools, then we just have to do that consistently and set good expectations with the customer because hey Brian, have you noticed this? Do the customers kind of fall into the groove? Right? Once they’ve had that experience one or two times and they just know what to expect and then they’re almost like, Hey, wait a second, you didn’t show me the cool video or you didn’t do the thing. Oh
Brian Kinnard (26:18):
Yeah, absolutely. Some of the craziest sales I’ve had, I had a customer here, I don’t know, probably six to eight months ago, and the owner of the vehicle actually lived in Alaska and I had sent the inspection to the person that had driven the vehicle in that person actually forwarded that text to their mother or father, whatever it was in Alaska. And I get a phone call from Alaska authorizing like a $4,500 repair job based off of an oil change. And that customer wasn’t even in my shop. He was in Alaska
Tom Dorsey (26:54):
2000 miles away fighting polar bears. That’s awesome.
John Herring (26:58):
Yeah. Well I think people really are adopting this digital age that we’re in. And I have the same kind of experiences. I had a customer that came in and spent $1,800 on a Mini Cooper and I never even saw the person. I didn’t even talk to him on the phone. I text him that they made an appointment online, dropped off their car. I text him and he’s like, I can’t get a call. You got to text me, text him. He says, okay, send me the inspection. He looked at the inspection, texted me back and said, do it. And then he’s like, Hey, I need to pay you over the phone and I’m going to pick my car up after hours. The guy’s super happy, left us a five star review and I don’t even know if the guy looks like it’s crazy. The amount of help, the amount of sales you can drive without having to do much effort. That’s awesome. I think that’s what people want nowadays. It’s all odd. Everything’s done on an app. It’s just crazy. And I think for shops that aren’t doing that, I think they’re missing the boat because I definitely feel customers not just need that, but they want it in their, the more and more that other businesses are doing it, the more they want every business to do it.
Honey Tuazon (28:09):
As a millennial, I can attest to that. Definitely something that I would like to do.
John Herring (28:15):
Yeah, well I just bought a car over the internet and all I had to do is go in five minutes and walk back out with a car. So I love having that technology at your hands. It’s awesome to have that
Tom Dorsey (28:26):
Car vending machines now.
John Herring (28:28):
Tom Dorsey (28:30):
Pretty soon. Big old drones will come deliver cars. It like those big helicopter cranes or whatever drone. Well good. So I got to tell you, John, I think I’m going to cut that and can it put it in as a TV commercial or something and I’ll pay like a buck a month royalty or something like that. What do you say?
John Herring (28:48):
I think we need to negotiate that buck a month, but we’ll,
Tom Dorsey (28:51):
Alright, well I’ll let Uber give you a call and you guys work that out. One second.
Alright man. Hey, I really appreciate you guys coming on the show. I think it was awesome. Hopefully people out there thinking about becoming multis shop owners, take something away. You’ll right the first time these guys are available on Facebook. Give ’em a holler, ask ’em some questions, they’d be loved and they help you. And if you’re already in it, hopefully you learn something. Get on that business control panel, set up your multi-location dashboard and really get that solid partner in your business to apply that process consistently across your locations. And some comes out and rainbows are shining, sun shines and rainbows come out.
Honey Tuazon (29:33):
Utilize our account managers. Sue, we’re here to help you.
Tom Dorsey (29:36):
Yes, yes.
John Herring (29:38):
You guys are awesome. You guys are a big part of what
Tom Dorsey (29:40):
Makes AutoVitals work. Absolutely. And speaking of that, thanks Honey, that was fantastic by the way. And yes, you guys do a great job. Thank you. We have a new, we just launched actually to even to give a greater service, which we call our digital shop partner team. The existing customers probably been getting some contacts about it. We’ve been fortunate enough and we’ve introduced some across on the radio show and previous episodes, but we’ve been very fortunate to attract some of great talent out of the automotive industry. Operational talent, right? Folks that have been running multi-locations and highly successful businesses using AutoVitals. And now we form a team of them to go out and ramp our customers up from day one the right way and help shops to achieve their goals nine month program. And so you’ll be getting a contact if you are an existing customer with an opportunity to join that team. And then if you are thinking about becoming a customer, don’t think any longer because like I said, you’ve got some of the best people in the industry and we just met two of them, three of them here today on our Facebook forum, collaborating through webinars and this show and things like that to help you become successful. Pick up the phone and dial now it’s going to be like a telephone. We’re waiting for the phone to ring.
Alright, thanks. Thanks a lot guys, man, I appreciate your time. Have a great day. Yep. And tune in next Wednesday, same time, same place. 10:00 AM Pacific, 1:00 PM Eastern for Digital Shop Talk Radio. We’ll be having some more great guys like these on talking about success. Thanks guys. Thank you.

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